We're back with another episode of the SatoSHE Show! Unfortunately, Mir ditched us for Mexico this week. But it's her loss, because we had a great conversation with fellow Bitcoin podcaster Anita Posch, our first guest on the show!
Anita is a solopreneur focused on educating her audience about Bitcoin. She just published her book (L)Earn Bitcoin, a book perfect for those looking to get into Bitcoin who just aren't quite sure where to start (which was pretty much all of us at some point). In this episode, we talk to Anita about her journey into Bitcoin, her jump into self-employment, her passion for the space, and of course, her new book. Check it out!
Lina Seiche (0:09):
Hi, Molly! Welcome to episode three of the SatoSHE show.
Molly Spiers (0:14):
Oh my gosh, episode three. I can't believe we've made it this far.
Lina Seiche (0:18):
Me neither. We are so disciplined.
Molly Spiers (0:20):
I mean, yeah. I mean, me and you have made this far but Mir clearly hasn’t.
Lina Seiche (0:28):
Yeah. It’s okay, we'll replace her with somebody new.
Molly Spiers (0:35):
Where is Mir anyway?
Lina Seiche (0:37):
I think she's in Mexico.
Molly Spiers (0:39):
Yeah, she is at an event, isn't she? But I can't remember what it's called, something, something Bitcoin, anyway.
Lina Seiche (0:45):
Molly Spiers (0:46):
Yes. She'll be back. Don't worry.
Lina Seiche (0:49):
Yeah. So we thought while Mir is away, we'll just continue doing this ourselves. And we're going to have a guest on. We mentioned we would have guests on the show and somebody actually wanted to join the show. And we feel extremely excited. And also a little bit anxious because she's a podcaster, too. And we want to make a good impression. And I also feel extra bad because, as you know, before we launched our show, we thought of our tagline. And we made our tagline. The first all female Bitcoin only show. And we thought that's true. And then remember how I said, Hey, why not have this guest on? She's a fellow podcaster. And she just published a book. And we thought, Wow, that's really good. And then we asked her, but we didn't bother to think about the fact that her podcast is all female, Bitcoin only and a lot older than ours. So welcome, Anita Posch, and I'm very sorry.
Anita Posch (2:05):
Hello, no need to apologize. Hello, Lina. Hello, Molly. Thanks for having me on.
Molly Spiers (2:10):
Anita Posch (2:11):
It's a great honor to be here and be your first guest. When I heard you saying that you're the first all female Bitcoin only podcast, I mean, it's just me. I'm the female podcast host. I started in 2018. But I of course have male guests. So basically, I'm not sure if you're going to have male guests, but from the host side, yes. I think I'm the first, maybe somebody else also was before me. I know Stephanie Murphy from the ”Let's Talk Bitcoin” podcast, but she's not the main host. She's one of the four I think. But maybe I also don't know something. But now my tagline is “first Bitcoin only podcast”.
LIna Seiche (3:04):
That’s okay, you can have it.
Anita Posch (3:07):
If you can't have it, I can take it.
Lina Seiche (3:12):
Yeah, I can't believe that we looked around, and we thought about this. And we invited you and we didn't think about the tagline. But now our tagline is “the all female Bitcoin only”.
Anita Posch (3:26):
I thought since you did the research already. I can take the tagline now.
Lina Seiche (3:32):
Yes. I'm not sure if you can trust my research, given that it was incorrect.
Molly Spiers (3:39):
Yeah, someone else had probably come up and been like, “No, I'm the first all female hosted podcast.” We'll just go around in a big circle.
Anita Posch (3:47):
Exactly. But then we have learned something again.
Molly Spiers (3:51):
Anyway, isn't it great that there were so many females in Bitcoin that are doing podcasts? Yay!
Anita Posch (3:54):
Yeah, there are more and more coming up. And I think that's really awesome. And great.
Lina Seiche (4:03):
We felt that a lot of, you know, female, or podcasts that involve female hosts sign up Bitcoin only. So that's actually why we launched this podcast. And, you know, to each their own, but we only want to talk about Bitcoin, like you as we suppose.
Anita Posch (4:19):
Exactly, exactly. I think it's enough to talk about Bitcoin only because there are enough things happening that you can cover and there are more and more stories each year. I mean, I can't compare this now. I mean, you were back there at the same time, like even longer than me, like in 2017 when I started you could really follow the development you know, you thought “I'm not missing anything of it”, but now it's growing immensely.
Lina Seiche (4:53):
It is, it is. So you've been around since 2018?
Anita Posch (4:58):
2017. In 2018, I started the podcast exactly in August so it's been three years now. Yay!
Lina Seiche and Molly Spiers (5:05):
Molly Spiers (5:07)
Lina Seiche (5:11)
Wow, what led you to what led you to Bitcoin? How did you find Bitcoin in 2017?
Anita Posch (5:18):
Yeah, well, I actually studied urban planning. And when I finished my studies in 1997. The internet came to Austria. So I had my first email setup in 1997. And I got immensely interested in the internet and these new forms of communication that are possible, and I bought my first HTML book and built my first website. And from then on, I switched careers basically, and was working as a web designer, I did large e-Commerce projects. And we also, when I was self employed, I had a partner and we had a company together. And we did online platforms, like online marketplaces, or something similar to Etsy, but a lot smaller, of course, for design for sustainable designer goods, and things like that. And in 2016, I thought to myself, because at that time, I was employed in a bigger ecommerce company. And I thought to myself, actually, I want to be self employed again, and I want to do something new, I was looking for a field that really is interesting to me where I can, like, also contribute to to the greater good in a way, you know, because like, all those consumer goods stuff, I mean, I was selling motorcycles, and on the other company, goods for gardening, you know, and I thought to myself, that's not really what I'm interested in anymore, there must be something bigger, where I can contribute to. And then I decided to take a year off, like, I went to Berlin. And yeah, I was scouting my next topic of interest, where I also want to work in the field. And funnily enough 2016 in Berlin, there was already the Bitcoin bar. So now the first Bitcoin bar in the world where you could buy beer and burgers with Bitcoin, but I didn't realize it back then, you know, so I heard the first time about Bitcoin in 2011. So I tweeted about Bitcoin back then. But I thought it was something like PayPal, and I thought to myself, I don't need another PayPal, so I really didn't get it. And so in 2017, I got back to Ghana and settled back in here and fought, okay, so now I'm going to work as a web designer and intern, online marketer and things like that. And then in spring 2017, I visited a talk at a conference by Sherman Foshan and she was talking about Bitcoin and blockchains, and how they will impact the world. And I immediately understood the possibilities and how big this is, you know, how revolutionary it was, for me, like, the beginning of the internet. And from then on, I decided, that's interesting. I want to work in that field. That's something that I as a solopreneur can do, because it was clear to me I don't want to find a startup company or something like that. I wanted to work alone. And from then on I started digging the famous rabbit hole.
Lina Seiche (8:59):
Do you feel any regret at all that in 2011 to hear about Bitcoin? And you know, you didn't buy any?
Anita Posch (9:08):
Yeah, you know even if I had bought some or any or more, I might have lost it or something like that, or I might have spent it you know. I don't regret anything. It's life. It is the way it is. And you can only go step by step and new knowledge brings new experiences, and so on. And that's why I got into Bitcoin in 2017. And I think I was still early and we are still early now. So no, no regrets, no regrets.
Lina Seiche (9:46):
That's very healthy. good attitude.
Molly Spiers (9:49):
Wow, that's so cool. So are you a full time Bitcoiner, then?
Anita Posch (9:53):
Yes. And I'm very, very proud of that. And it's great. It's really, really great because I always wanted to achieve that. I mean, I have my coffee here and it says “o what you love.” And that that was always like my message and then someday I realized it's not do what you love, it has to be love what you do, because do what you love would be like, “Okay, I'm doing something professional that I love to do as a hobby, because I like it”, but then you don't have the endurance, you don't have the power to go this marathon because it's, it's not a sprint, it's a marathon. And so I'm really happy and proud that I made that I mean, that I made that possible for myself. And also that switch, you know, from being an internet marketer, I mean, I had lived from that and it worked. And I just said I want to work in this new field. And so I changed that in a long process.
Lina Seiche (11:02):
Wow. I have my coffee here and it says Bitcoin is fuck you money.
Anita Posch (11:06):
Okay, I need one of these too.
Lina Seiche (11:11):
I will ask Bitcoin Meme Hub who made it together with Samson. Oh yeah, what really cool is this.
Molly Spiers (11:22):
I think we have some of those mugs in our office as well. I think Samson has sent us. The guys love them. They're very cool.
Anita Posch (11:28):
Yeah, they're cool. I mean but you can only only use it to reflect people like you and me. I mean, everybody else would be pissed off, maybe
Lina Seiche (11:39):
People are so sensitive.
Anita Posch (11:41):
No, not in the Bitcoin space.
Lina Seiche (11:44):
Fair enough. So when you found Bitcoin, is there work in the Bitcoin space that you feel like that’s, you compared it to the early internet. So it feels like a calling or it feels like this is exactly the space you want to be in right now?
Anita Posch (12:00):
Yeah, exactly. It's not too much of a calling. But more of a combination of all I have done in my life, all of my interests. I mean, when I was 14, I produced my first paper, you know, a fan scene for Duran Duran, and I printed it out on and then I took the magazines and took scissors and put the images and stuff on paper and copied it and something like that. So now I'm a podcaster. You know, I'm doing media online and also my history in e-Commerce. I'm not so much a developer I was more like a project manager, I always had to be able to talk to marketing people as well as to developers. And I think that's a very important knowledge or experience I have for explaining Bitcoin because I have to understand the technicalities and break it down to newbies or beginners or to people interested in it. And I think everything basically came together, also my interest in the economy and economy from people for people you know, that's basically always what I did and what I was interested in nurturing you know, like helping people to start their small business connecting them and all those things and I think that very wonderfully comes together everything in Bitcoin and also the open source thing like the philosophy that affects the system a little bit.
Molly Spiers (13:55):
What I've noticed is that whenever you're talking to some Bitcoiners they always smile when they're talking about Bitcoin and I was just noticing that you Anita when you're talking about it just then like you're smiling and I just think that is so beautiful. That's how Bitcoiners feel about Bitcoin. Yeah, like I'm smiling right now just by talking about it. But sorry, that was just a little side note.
Anita Posch (14:17):
But you're right I mean, it's basically what I want to do and I'm always enthusiastic about talking about it. When I have to explain this, sometimes it happens, of course, that different people ask you the same thing over and over again, you know, the same FUD story the same it uses so much like electricity, it's not backed by anything, but we need a control, whatever, you know, and but all the time I'm explaining that again, I realize how much I love what it does, you know, and that's also great to have this enthusiasm from one Bitcoiner to the next because, as you know, wherever you go around the world, I'm asking first, who is into Bitcoin in this city? Can I meet you? You know? So you also get to know a lot of people and that's great.
Molly Spiers (15:15):
I don’t think the Bitcoin community is as toxic as it makes out to the world, it's actually really happy and enthusiastic people.
Anita Posch (15:24):
Yeah, I mean, to be honest, I sometimes just walk around toxic people and not everybody is the same in person as online, you know. It often also, how you write things down is different than how you would say it in person. And yeah, I mean, too much toxicity is also too much for me. I don't like it. I don't like to push newbies away from space because of rude Bitcoiners. I think that's not good. But in general, you're right. Bitcoiners are very nice people.
Molly Spiers (16:08):
Yeah, exactly. Cool. So you talk then just about it being your life. So we actually talked about it on the podcast that we've not yet released, but soon coming out about this sort of work-life balance with Bitcoin. And how do you switch off from your work? With Bitcoin being 365 days, 24/7, what do you do to unwind?
Anita Posch (16:36):
Yeah, it's hard. Because when you're so enthusiastic about something, you don't want to miss anything. But yeah, of course, as a solopreneur, if I take a day off, or do a holiday, then nobody works anymore, you know. So that puts me a little bit into a stressful situation. But I've learned to live with it. And what I do is I play a lot of sports, like I'm, I'm cycling a lot, I'm swimming almost every day, if I can make it and also a part of Team Satoshi. We did like two years ago, we did the Satoshi Freeathlon, where we cycled, ran and swam from Zurich to Munich. And now in October, we are taking the road to Bitcoin. It goes from Italy to Munich again. And all Bitcoiners are invited to join us on that. They can do a relay stage. So sports, a lot of sports, then, of course, meeting with friends and trying to have some time for me like to think about things and to calm down the mind, you know, but basically, most things are doing sports.
Molly Spiers (17:56):
You said friends there, are all your friends Bitcoiners as well or not? Yeah, you haven’t orange-pilled them?
Anita Posch (18:00):
No. I’ve orange-pilled a lot of people, and I'm always trying to, but not in how shall I say it? If they have any questions about it I'm answering but I'm not pushing it on them. I think I lost some friends on the road, you know?
Molly Spiers (18:22):
Anita Posch (18:23):
Yeah, exactly. It happens. And yeah, I mean, my goal is to orange-pill, at least my closest friends, mostly female friends, because I really think that it's important or it will be very positive for them in the future.
Lina Seiche (18:39):
So your book is called a book called “Learn Bitcoin” and the “L” is in brackets so learn slash earn Bitcoin. Oh, you have it there. That is some epic cover. That is amazing.
Anita Posch (18:53):
Yeah. Thank you very much. Yes, that cover was made by Sovereign’s designer. So the Sovereign sponsored my work, which was very great, because now we can also translate it to German. I will do that apparently. To Spanish, to Chinese and Russian which is great. And so the title which is learn and earn Bitcoin says exactly what I'm doing, like I'm giving all the information you need around the why of Bitcoin so why should you even use it, you know, or why should you learn about it. And in the second part of the book, it's more like a practical guide with a staircase to self sovereignty because that's my goal in the book to lead people up to the stage where they have their own coins, or keys, sorry. Their keys and the coins. So I have a lot of advice on that and it's basically really built up in a way that at first you learn the basics and then you learn step by step, how to come from No Coiner or Pre-Coiner to a Bitcoiner.
Lina Seiche (20:19):
Molly Spiers (20:20):
So is that the target people for your book then? Like Pre-Coiners and No Coiners?
Anita Posch (20:24):
Exactly. So Pre-Coiners like the people who thought about Bitcoin, so I'm not sure if I want to, I don't know all the arguments. So I'm giving pros, the positive side of Bitcoin and I also show all the FUD stories or arguments that one might have that prevent her or him from using Bitcoin. And I'm also talking about those. And so yes, it's basically feared users and Pre-Coiners, who might already have some Bitcoin, but they have it on a centralized exchange. And so I'm trying to get them to use a self hosted wallet, a hardware wallet, and, and, and use Bitcoin in this self sovereign way.
Molly Spiers (21:17):
That's incredibly important as well, I mean, I work at CoinCorner, which is a centralized exchange, and we do encourage users to withdraw and host or hold their own Bitcoins for themselves. It can be difficult, I think, because it's another part of Bitcoin isn't it, but that you have to understand, and buying them on an exchange and just leaving them there is easy and great and whatever. But the real important part of that is self -holding, which is so important.
Anita Posch (21:50):
Exactly. And I also give some reasons why it's important, because many people don't understand what the difference is. And I explained that only with you having the keys, so nobody can take it away from you. It's uncensor Rubble, and you're also, you know, there cannot be new financial products built upon your Bitcoin. So there's no rehypothecation possible and things like that. And you also can, like, you have more, how shall I say, not power, but you know what I mean, in Europe Bitcoin user then and you have a voice, basically, in the consensus, you know, and what happens with Bitcoin,
Lina Seiche (22:32):
A way that I found very easy to understand why it's important to own your money to have it and not just hold it on a centralized exchange, is that your bank only lets you withdraw so much money every day at an ATM or whatever, they only let you send so much money before they start asking weird questions. Or say, you know, we don't want to do that, or whatever. And that's really annoying. And that is just the status quo around the world. We're not even talking about countries where you run into some really terrible situations where the banks just don't service people anymore, or what you're seeing right now, really, unfortunately, in Afghanistan, where people are running to the banks trying to get their money, and they're being told, well, the bank's not in service right now. Sorry, come back another day. So it's, I found this comparison, very helpful. And understanding why you want to hold your money, you want to hold your keys yourself. You want to hold your coins in your own wallet. And I think once you do that, once you get over the fear of losing your keys, although I don't think you ever really get over it, but once you learn to live with it. You don't go back.
Molly Spiers (23:58):
Yeah, I mean, this is the whole point of Bitcoin isn't it is to be your own bank, essentially.
Anita Posch (24:03):
Yeah, exactly. And, and those that you were referring to now Lina, like in Afghanistan, the situation that's happening all over the world all the time, you know, like in Cyprus, we headed 2013. in Zimbabwe, it has happened so many times to the people there. So the banking services are not really working there. That's the general situation. But sometimes the government just decides to change the account currency like people have US dollars in their bank accounts and from one day to the other the Zimbabwean government or let's say, dictatorship says, so now it's converted into our new Zimbabwean dollar. So basically from one day to the other, they extract all the value from you and you only have those Zimbabwean dollars that lose value every day and so yes, holding the key protects you from these sorts of bailouts and things like that.
Lina Seiche (25:05):
What do you think is a barrier to people understanding this because I suppose to Bitcoiners like ourselves, this seems like common sense. We see things happening around the world and we understand that the only thing that's between, you know, Molly, or ourselves in Europe or in the Western world, or anywhere, really the only thing that's between us and a situation like that is a switch in government, to an authoritarian leadership. And we feel so foolishly safe from that, but it can happen so quickly. So what do you think is the barrier to people seeing this and realizing this, and then understanding Okay, wait, my money is not mine, my money is not saved in the bank.
Anita Posch (25:59):
It's the same. It's education. I mean, we don't learn that it's education. And we're used to it. Yesterday, it was the 50th anniversary of Nixon, breaking the gold standard, with rendering the US dollar to a fiat money currency that's not backed by anything anymore. And most people who have asked weren't born back then. So we only know the Fiat system. And we only know of a system that works with banks, which is a great difference between our western world and like African nations, or less developed countries in the world where banks do not work like here, and where billions of people also don't have access to a bank because they don't have an ID. And these are all things that we don't think about and coming back to the thing with with the banks, I think we never learn in school, how money is created, what it is, who's in charge of it, or why does anybody have to be in charge of it, you know, and we also don't learn how to save, how to have healthy finances at home, like with your own spendings or if you run a company you have to learn that all by yourself. And I think many people also just trust the government and they want a bank to be in control because they are educated that way. I learned it the same way you bring your money to the bank and then you get interest. And funnily enough, I never really saved because I mean, even back then 20, 30 years ago when I could have done it. I thought but with these like 1%, 2% interest rates, does that help? And now with Bitcoin, I found a solution to this problem of inflation because that's basically eating your gains away. So now when we have zero interest rates in Germany, or even negative interest rates, it's even worse. So Bitcoin is basically the only solution to that problem at the moment, or you buy property like a house. But who has so much money to do that? Less and less people have.
Lina Seiche (28:29):
You can buy a fraction of a house.
Anita Posch (28:30):
Lina Seiche (28:35):
When I was nine, I think. So I had a bank account and I lost my bank card. It was like my first bank account. And I was so ashamed that I didn't tell my parents and I found the bank card again, a few years later, I think I was 14 or something. And I checked out the bank account and I had it on like a savings account, and I had like 24 Euros or something and I had earned 50 cents in interest. And I was so proud. I still remember that.
Molly Spiers (29:09):
Wow, yeah, that's awful, isn't it?
Lina Seiche (29:11):
Molly Spiers (29:13):
It is so bad. But like you say it I mean, you just don't get taught this stuff at school. I knew nothing about money. Well, I realized I knew nothing about money until working in Bitcoin and actually I don't know whether the right phrase is unlearning everything you know about money or learning everything you know about money is. I don’t know which one it is. But yeah, it just opened your eyes and I think unfortunately, like you say a lot of people do just trust the government and go along with it because it's all they've known. Maybe the upcoming generation are a little bit more savvy. I think they are realizing that they're not getting interest in their bank account. So that's why you have to challenge your banks, and they're kind of like a stepping stone I think between traditional finance and like new finance, like Bitcoin, but certainly for my parents generation, like older this is like the monetary system has all that they've known and they struggle, I think to get their head around this concept of Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.
Anita Posch (30:19):
Yes, exactly. And I think that younger people, they are coming from a completely different direction. They have been living with the internet since they were born and it's completely common to them to maybe send value over the internet, like in gaming, for instance, and things like that. And as you say, I agree with these new banks that are only online. I mean, back in the days, I had to go into town and I couldn't send money over the internet in any form. So I think for the older generation, like me, for most people, it's really incomprehensible how something like Bitcoin can have any value, you know? So, yes, I think it's a generational thing. And young people, I mean, a baby born yesterday or something like that will never walk into a banking office or something, you know.
Molly Spiers (31:29):
That's it. I've got a little boy and he's four and he can recognize the Bitcoin logo, maybe because I talk about it too I don’t know. But he knows Bitcoin, but he doesn't know banking logos. And I just think that's the way the next generation will go is that they will know Bitcoin.
Anita Posch (31:49):
His first “bad word”, he will learn shit coins, I guess.
Molly Spiers (31:55):
Yeah, it probably will be actually
Lina Seiche (31:58):
Probably already did. So Anita, you're a Bitcoin educator. And your job is educating people on Bitcoin. But on your way there because it is a steep learning curve you have with Bitcoin, right? Are there any people that helped you with that either directly or indirectly, you know, by reading a book that you've read, or, you know, some other way?
Anita Posch (32:27):
So yeah, I think my main influence has been Andreas Antonopoulos. I started watching his videos in 2017, and he's also a lecturer or tutor at the University of Nicosia, which offers a free digital currency, MOOC, an open online course for everyone. So it's free and it's great. And I did that. And then of course, my colleagues at Bitcoin Austria, which is our non-governmental organization here in Austria, educating people, and organizing meetups and stuff like that. And then yes, I had 125 guests on my show. So basically, all those guests were my teachers, and which is a great idea why to host the podcast. And yeah, so that's basically it. And I learned a lot since I was luckily one of the translators of the “Internet Of Money”, the first two volumes to German. And then of course, I learned a lot. And then writing my own book is basically learning. Yeah, so these are, I guess, I mean, there are a lot of people like Nick Carter, Lynne Elden, Caitlyn Long, Jameson Lopp. Those kinds of people who are also very present on Twitter are my daily teachers, I would say.
Lina Seiche (34:04):
That's the thing. You don't stop learning in this space. You always learn something new, like your brain just doesn't stop learning things.
Anita Posch (34:13):
Exactly. And I forgot to mention Adam Back of course, who also had a great influence on what I understand.
Lina Seiche (34:25):
Where can people get your book?
Anita Posch (34:27):
Oh, the best is you go to learnbitcoin.link because there you can find all the information about the book. You can buy it as an eBook for Bitcoin or lightning. And it also gives you the links to Amazon, Barnes and Noble and basically, you should be able to buy it in bookstores too.
Molly Spiers (34:47):
That's cool. We'll put links in the show notes and everything as well.
Anita Posch (34:50):
Thank you very much.
Lina Seiche (34:51):
We live in a time where you can buy Bitcoin books at the bookstore.
Molly Spiers (34:55):
Amazing, isn’t it?
Lina Seiche (34:58):
I’m just interested. Do you see a difference in how German speakers react to Bitcoin or to your educational content and, you know, people outside of the German speaking realm? That's just my personal interest at a German.
Anita Posch (35:18):
I can generally say that I think Germans are more reluctant to use Bitcoin than Austrians. Austrians are a little bit more open to it. But in general, the difference is bigger between Western countries or developed countries and not so well developed countries, because people there understand immediately when you tell them about the fact that Bitcoin cannot be inflation, it cannot be censored, you can send it everywhere in the world for really a small fee. And it's fast. And these are all things that those people don't know. I mean, and so I always have the feeling that German speakers in general are more like, I don't know, I trust my government more. I'm scared about what happens and who's paying the taxes then. And in underdeveloped countries people are, show me how it works, I want to use it, you know. My interview partner from Zimbabwe, my friend Aura, for instance, she used it for her school to like we send donations to her, I made a donation campaign for her and we sent a Bitcoin over, and she was able to open up the school again, where she's the headmistress of, but then she also started to use it for herself, of course, I mean, if something works, you use it. And now she's sending Bitcoin to Kenya to a freelancer whom she's working with her parents on. And I was asking her recently, and have you sold your Bitcoin? Because it went down like 30%? And she said, “No, I mean, I trust that it goes up again”. And I find that's so great, you know, and the attitude. People are also much more experimental, they need to, because they have to hustle every day to find the money to pay their rent, and all the other things, you know, so there is much more innovation, and I try new things, I want to try new things that can help me in these countries than here in the Western world.
Lina Seiche (37:34):
I agree. 100%.
Molly Spiers (37:36):
I think that, depending on where you are in the world, whether you're in a developed or non developed country, Bitcoin is different things to different people. So like you're saying, with the non developed countries, it is first and foremost a currency to them, you know, and whereas I think maybe in the Western world, it's viewed more as a stored value and people are buying Bitcoin because they want to. They see it as an investment. But I find that fascinating that Bitcoin is one thing, but it's just different things to different people, depending on where you are in the world.
Anita Posch (38:13):
Exactly. Yeah, I see that too. It's more, it's a tool for them. And often, they also have to exchange it into their national currency, because they need the national currency there. So they don't have the disposable income that we have, they can't save. I mean, if they are lucky, they are able to spare some sets and wait for them to increase. But most of the time it's a tool to get money from abroad, like remittances to them, or back to other people in African countries are the same in South America, I guess?
Lina Seiche (38:51):
Well, it's great that you're, you know, taking your time making your job to educate about Bitcoin. I think, you know, we can't have enough of that, because different people respond to different messages, respond to different tones to different types of content. And first of all, I think it's impressive that you were able to build this up for yourself, you know, you're a full-time Bitcoiner, you work in Bitcoin full time, and you spend that time creating educational content. And that's just you know.
Molly Spiers (39:30):
Anita Posch (39:31):
Yeah, thank you. Thank you very much. And I think the important thing for people also to know is, Bitcoin doesn't pay you. I mean, there's no marketing department in Bitcoin, compared to other let's say Altcoins. So I think everyone who is in this space, working for Bitcoin because of their own personal interest, is like how do you say a chop of love or something like that?
Lina Seiche (40:08):
Yeah. We're not paid shills.
Anita Posch (40:09):
Molly Spiers (40:11):
We do this because we love it.
Anita Posch (40:12):
And, the value is rising. I mean, okay. I mean, come on. No, I mean, basically I'm in for the philosophy and for the fact that everyone in the world should have equal access to money. But I can't deny that I'm not having fun. Why I'm not like seeing the value rise and die. Well, nice. Yeah. Nice for everyone.
Lina Seiche (40:41):
I think that that’s perfectly legitimate. It’s part of Bitcoin's design. If there was no monetary incentive. We would not be where we are right now.
Anita Posch (40:49):
Lina Seiche (40:50):
That’s what is so beautiful about Bitcoin. It aligns our human incentives with this massive progress it brings to our planet. That’s why it works. It is beautiful.
Molly Spiers (41:09):
So Anita, what’s next for you? What are you working on next?
Anita Posch (41:12):
Yeah, thanks for asking, so I’m starting my podcast again because I took a break for two months because I published a book and was travelling. In September, I am starting again and I am also translating the book as I said. I am translating it to German. Other people from Sovereign’s team translated it to other languages. And then book marketing so I stay in the loop and I try to reach as many people as possible. So that’s what is next.
Lina Seiche (41:48):
That’s exciting all the best with that.
Molly Spiers (41:51):
Anita Posch (41:52):
Thank you very much. I need it. I need support.
Lina Seiche (41:59):
Support Anita everybody. In the meantime, where can people find you if they want to support you?
Anita Posch (42:06):
So as I said before the book is at learnbitcoin.link. My podcast is called “The Anita Posch Show." You can find it in any podcast player and I’m on Twitter @anitaposch.
Lina Seiche (42:21):
Awesome. Great, thank you so much for coming on to the SatoSHE show Anita.
Molly Spiers (42:29):
Thank you for being our first guest.
Anita Posch (42:31):
Thank you Molly, thank you Lina, thank you Mir in absence, for inviting me. And for the honor to be the first guest of the SatoSHE show.
Lina Seiche (42:43):
We hope we did okay.
Anita Posch (42:44):
Oh, it was great!
Lina Seiche (42:48):
Thank you so much!
Anita Posch (42:50):
Lina Spiers (42:51):
See you soon.
Anita Posch (42:52):
Bye. Thanks. Bye!