As much as we love Bitcoin and working in the Bitcoin space, we do need a break from the FUD and the markets every now and then. In this episode, we chat about how we accomplish that (all of us except for Lina, that is), and we're also reviewing a Forbes article that had us scratching our heads: "To Invest in Carbon-Neutral Bitcoin Mining Is to Invest in Women" ......?
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Molly Spiers (0:09):
What's up guys, welcome to another episode of The SatoSHE show with me, Molly, and my co-hosts, Lina and Mir. Before we begin a quick shout out to our sponsors, SatoSHE design and CoinCorner. Thanks for your support guys. Keeping that short and sweet and on with the show. Hi, girls, how are we?
Mir Liponi (0:29):
Very fine. Thank you.
Molly Spiers (0:32):
Yay, we're back. What is new, what's been going on?
Mir Liponi (0:35):
Well, I just came back from the beach, so I'm very happy and relaxed. Life was almost as normal, but it won't be in some days here in Italy. So I'm enjoying every single, single moment of it right now.
Molly Spiers (0:51):
That's nice. Where did you go? To the beach?
Mir Liponi (0:54):
Yeah, I went to Liguria, which is a very nice area of Italy. And the funny thing is, you get the sea and you get a lot of carbs. So it was very difficult to resist. But I did my best.
Molly Spiers (1:13):
Nice. Lina, how are you? Are you okay?
Lina Seiche (1:17):
Yeah, I'm doing great. I've been doing lots of things. Going to the cinema, going to restaurants, traveling the world, living life. Of course not, I'm just sitting at home.
Molly Spiers (1:29):
I thought when you said traveling the world I realized that was. As soon as she said traveling the world I was like, “Hmm okay, that doesn't sound right.”, you had me at the cinema and going out to restaurants, but no, that's not the case. It's mad because where I live here in the Isle of Man. Like all that stuff is open to us to like the cinema and the restaurants. I forget that other people around the world. Don't have like, that's not available.
Lina Seiche (1:55):
Molly Spiers (1:56):
Yeah, pretty much don't have freedom.
Lina Seiche (2:00):
I have you girls, that's all I need.
Mir Liponi (2:02):
Molly Spiers (2:03):
Exactly. Good, good.
Lina Seiche (2:07):
How have you been?
Molly Spiers (2:08):
Good. So what have I been up to? Oh, yeah. On the subject of freedom. My mom actually came over this weekend. So she lives in mainland UK and she came over. It's the first time I've seen her in about two years because of lockdowns and everything. So she came to visit, and it was just really nice. She just came for the weekend and we just went out. I don't want to rub this in your faces. We went out for nice food and nice little walks and it was just really good to see her. So I've come back this week feeling very upbeat and positive because it's just, it's just nice, isn't it? Like two years is a long time.
Mir Liponi (2:51):
It is. I saw the picture of you and your son on Twitter and your mother. You were amazing.
Molly Spiers (3:01):
But my mom is actually a Bitcoiner as well.
Mir Liponi (3:03):
That’s great. Oh my god.
Lina Seiche (3:06):
Lina Seiche (3:07):
Thank you. She's supposed to because of you.
Molly Spiers (3:11):
Yeah, it's actually very interesting, so my mom has actually been into Bitcoin. She invested a long time ago when I first joined CoinCorner actually. She nearly knew as much as we are.
Mir Liponi (3:25):
Okay, now we understand where you got your good Bitcoin genes.
Molly Spiers (3:31):
Exactly. Exactly. So she is a Bitcoiner only as well. So that's really great.
Lina Seiche (3:37):
This is the way.
Molly Spiers (3:41):
The tweet you're referring to is me, my mom and my son. And I think I captioned it like three generations of Bitcoiners because we are. That's what we are.
Mir Liponi (3:50):
That’s so cool.
Lina Seiche (3:52):
It's the dream.
Mir Liponi (3:56):
Yeah, it is.
Molly Spiers (3:57):
So it was really nice, and one of the things I wanted to talk to you girls about today is that time away from the “Bitcoin chaos” that is. So this is actually what I was thinking about over the weekend when I was spending time with my mom, is that with Bitcoin being 365 days, 24/7 full of news every day with developments every day it can be a lot. And I think whether you're working in Bitcoin or whether you are just sort of like involved from an investment perspective, regardless, it could be very consuming. And it's not often that I actually take the time away from my phone, away from Twitter, away from what's going on, and have that breather, which is what I did this weekend and it was weird, but it felt good. I don't know, I'm curious. Mir I know that you obviously were away down the beach.
Mir Liponi (5:00):
Yeah, I clearly remember some years ago, I tweeted something like an unpopular opinion about I am looking forward to the day I won't think about Bitcoin. Of course, I love Bitcoin, but what I intended was something like Bitcoin will be something normal, and it will work. And we are not thinking about the internet all day long, we are just using the internet, all the people are using the internet. This is my idea for the future, but at the moment, of course, we cannot rest too much, so I have to find my balance. And it took me some years because I had problems sleeping because I wanted to know all the news, what was going on, what I was missing. The problem was real. So I had to manage these and find a way especially since I got my daughter. And at the moment, I feel like I'm balanced because every day there are moments without a phone, without Bitcoin. And it's okay, because, of course, Bitcoin doesn't need me and that's great. I didn't need to be updated all the time and so I managed to have many hours without being updated. And sometimes, even days, I just like at the beach, just enjoying the beach, because in the end we are doing this because we want freedom. I mean that that's the goal. We don't have to forget what's our goal in life to enjoy our life. I know it's very early and we feel the responsibility for our job. So for Bitcoin itself to just, I mean help Bitcoin in any possible ways, but we have to slow down Bitcoin is amazing because it's going it's just working without us. And that's great. That's the amazing thing about Bitcoin. Not easy, not easy to realize that, but it's always on Bitcoin, but we don’t have to be on all the time. Yeah.
Molly Spiers (7:19):
Yeah, I feel like I'm not at that stage just yet. Lina, I don't know. How do you feel about it?
Lina Seiche (7:30):
Well, first of all, I think if you're stressed by the price you have too much exposure in relation to your conviction. So if the market stresses you you have too much money in Bitcoin. You can have all your money in Bitcoin and not be stressed, but you need a lot of conviction for that. So if you're stressed, you should either learn more about Bitcoin or, you know, reduce your exposure. But generally, it's really hard to break away from Bitcoin just like for me at least, it's really hard to break away from the internet, just because and I'm pretty sure you can relate our work just centers around the internet, we're always online. And the same way. We're always available, it's more of an overall issue and it's more work-related than Bitcoin-related, but because I work in Bitcoin, that's just how it is for me. And I've noticed this too, like when I'm eating and I have my I don't have my phone on silent and I get a message. I feel a little bit of stress, like ”Oh, man, somebody wants something from me.” and I don't like it. So I set my phone on silent, but it's vibrating, so it's not doing anything, so that's not good advice. In general. I have no good advice for this. I’m not good at working away from Bitcoin.
Molly Spiers (9:01):
Well, the worst thing is I'm like I'm such a hypocrite, so I get major FOMO. I don't know if you girls got the same, but on my phone you can see how much screen time you have spent on your phone and I think whether it was last week, or maybe the week before Twitter was like my top used app. It was ridiculous. It's something like 10 hours in a week, which for me is very high. Like you’ve said, I find working in the industry even when the price is going sideways, it may not be as different for you Lina, but the price isn't the problem. I don't think it is the amount of stuff that is happening all the time. If it's not the price, it's new developments, you know, technological advancements or whatever that's getting picked up. It's chaos. That's Twitter. It's just so many things I feed in. And I don't know, for me, I have one hour a day, after I'm done at work, and I go home and have my dinner and I usually go out and do some form of exercise, whether it's a walk or a workout. And in that time, I try not to look at my phone, I don't respond to messages. I don't look at emails -- nothing. And I mean, I know it's only an hour out of my day, and it seems very small compared to the rest of it but for me, that really helps. Because even now my sleep is interrupted, like, I'll wake up in the middle of the night, just for whatever reason, and it sounds awful, but the first thing I will do is check my phone and see what's going on. Because, you know, Lina, you're over in Asia, Mir you are here in Europe with me, but then you have America and Bitcoin is always doing something, somewhere. So it doesn't matter when you sleep. Bitcoin is not sleeping.
Lina Seiche (11:00):
That's true. That's true. Also, there's a lot of stuff happening in North America with Bitcoin right now. So that means when my day ends, they wake up. So my time, like my sleeping schedule has shifted to actually kind of like your times. So that I can keep up with everything.
Mir Liponi (11:21):
If I may have something I shifted a perspective, it is just like something. I don't know, most of the news, most of the stuff is just useless in the end. So the most important things are going to emerge anyway, so I just wait. And I've learned just to wait some days because there is a lot of noise too in the Bitcoin space too, so the signal to emerge we have to wait for it. I'm not telling you that I'm such a yogi because I get FOMO all the time. But in the end this perspective really helped me. I really recommend everyone to think about that. It seriously helps.
Molly Spiers (12:16):
I really like your approach.
Lina Seiche (12:21):
Maybe also just got to consciously take some time off. Allocating time, just away and that's actually not just for you know if you're working with Bitcoin as with any job I feel is. Especially for freelance work it is a great thing to do. I recently bought a PlayStation. I got a PS5.
Mir Liponi (12:40):
Oh my gosh.
Molly Spiers (12:41):
Lina Seiche (12:42):
I’m so proud of that.
Mir Liponi (12:43):
Lina Seiche (12:44):
I just had to bring it up.
Mir Liponi (12:46):
Well in the end you realized that there is a state of mind, I think it's called a wandering mind. It is a mode where you play, where you are just walking, and your mind is empty. And you feel you're not being productive and actually you're not being busy at that moment. In the long term, your productivity is going to increase in the right way because you are more satisfied and your mind is emptier but in a good way. Because if you have to focus on this stuff that really matters, you want to have another responsive mind so I'm totally in favour of playing video games. It seems it is a way to deal with everything and if it's not, you're going to have a great time. So it's a win.
Molly Spiers (13:36):
Yeah, I think you have to find your little breakout thing, don't you? Whether it's PlayStation, whether it's exercise. It could be anything just to take that time away from you know, in our case, Bitcoin and then focus on something different because the break really does like you say, it really does benefit you in the long run. It makes you more productive if you have that little break.
Mir Liponi (14:03):
Lina Seiche (14:04):
I think patience in the case of Bitcoin is important because we receive a lot of nonsense come out every day and a lot of what we do and we talked about this in our last episode is we defend, you know, when we defend Bitcoin, not that it needs it, right, but we dispel FUD and we debunk nonsense and I personally tend to find that very stressful when I see the same Bitcoiner is of the same level of argument for the 200th time and I feel like why didn't you just put in the work and do the research before saying or writing this thing. So I tend to find that very stressful and I think what we have to do is just also sometimes take a step back and see the bigger picture and understand that these narratives are short-lived and a few years from now we're gonna look back and we're gonna think, “Man, so glad this is over.” Hopefully it doesn't come back, although I think it will. Yeah,
Mir Liponi (15:08):
It will come back in other forms, probably.
Lina Seiche (15:12):
Yeah like that Senator who said Bitcoin miners are moving away from China because China wants to plant them in other countries so that it can then destroy their financial systems from the inside out.
Molly Spiers (15:25):
I mean that's a bold statement, isn't it as well? Like, what sort of clickbait headline is that? It's mad.
Lina Seiche (15:32):
You can make a lot of headlines.
Molly Spiers (15:35):
This kind of leads nicely on to our next subject, actually. Lina, do you want to talk about this? Because this was the article that you kind of sent around to us to discuss.
Lina Seiche (15:45):
Yeah, yeah. I got really angry at that, so I wanted you to get angry too.
Mir Liponi (15:52):
Thank you. Thank you.
Lina Seiche (15:57):
I saw it on Twitter, somebody posted the screenshot from a Forbes article, Forbes women actually. “To invest in Carbon Neutral Bitcoin Mining Is To Invest In Women”. So I want us to take a look at the article.
Mir Liponi (16:12):
Well, my first thought. Sorry.
Lina Seiche (16:16):
What's your first thought? I want to know.
Mir Liponi (16:18)
Yeah, my first thought was like, this was generated by a bot because it's too stupid for being generated by human beings. Just like that, and I'm going to ignore it. But thanks to you, I read it today. And after the first sentence, I just wanted to just throw away my computer from the window, but that's okay. Because it doesn't make any sense at all. I just read half of the article, but I wasn't happy about that. But it was impossible to continue.
Lina Seiche (16:55):
You are welcome. More stress for you today. But, you know, I want to look at it because the headline sounds really stupid. And I wanted to understand if the article is also stupid, or if it's just a stupid clickbait headline. The article is maybe not that bad. Don't spoil the surprise Mir. So I want us to review the article and you know, maybe see what we think about it. And we can start right with the first sentence of it, which is: “In 2016. Bitcoin was irrefutably a man's domain.”
Molly Spiers (17:36):
Mir Liponi (17:38):
Lina Seiche (17:39):
I can add a second section, ”At the time, only 1.76% of the Bitcoin community consisted of women with male counterparts made up and 98.24%.”
Mir Liponi (17:52):
First being irrefutably. So you got the number from Coin Dance, and CoinDesk. Got the number from Google Analytics, so it's just a fair estimation that we don't know about because essentially there are plenty of set anonymous accounts and people that don't want to disclose their gender or whatever. Even if the data is right, I mean, Bitcoin doesn't care. But that's not a good motivation, but also very stupid to start with that, because I clearly remember 2016, probably, I was the only woman during the meetup. And it's kind of possible that those are good data, but we don't know. It's not irrefutably. So, starting with that, it's just bullshit.
Lina Seiche (18:56):
I feel like it's setting up a narrative. So what I always wonder with these things is, how do you know? Right? So where do you get that data? As you say, maybe they get it from a Google Analytics estimate, or they get it from surveys or something, but then, you know, what's the sample size? Is it representative? And also, how do you check the answers? Can you even check? Cause if somebody was gonna ask me, “Do you own Bitcoin?” I'm gonna say no.
Mir Liponi (19:24):
Lina Seiche (19:25):
With just the truth.
Molly Spiers (19:27):
I lost it in a voting accident.
Lina Seiche (19:33):
Yeah, stern votes.
Molly Spiers (19:35):
No, I think you're right. I think like what you say about sample size. I mean, I don't know if you girls have ever seen, like tv adverts. I'm thinking of the ones mainly for makeup, but it's like 80% of the participants agreed that this, this and this. And then it says in tiny, tiny little writing at the bottom that they asked maybe like 12 people, so it's not an accurate, I'm trying to think of what the word is. The right word to say.
Lina Seiche (20:12)
Molly Spiers (20:13)
Exactly. That's the word I'm looking for.
Mir Liponi (20:14):
Also, if you think about it, what does community mean? I mean, community is just the intersection of businesses and users so community is such a broad term for the sample. Doesn't mean anything.
Lina Seiche (20:31):
Yeah. If you ask the police, they're going to tell you there's no Bitcoin community.
Mir Liponi (20:37):
Yeah, absolutely. For example.
Lina Seiche (20:42):
Well, okay, let's go on. So, now we're getting to the core hypothesis of the article.
Mir Liponi (20:48):
This is painful.
Lina Seiche (20:50):
That's why we're here Mir. “As more women enter the crypto space, the need for environmentally conscious Bitcoin mining practices is growing.” Now, here's why.
Molly Spiers (21:02)
Okay, yeah, cause my question is going to be why?
Lina Seiche (21:05):
Exactly. So here's why. “The current production is currently estimated to generate between 22 and 22.9 million metric metric tons of Carbon Dioxide emissions a year. That's about the same as country ABC which, you know, again, like, where'd you get the data? We don't know that for sure.
Mir Liponi (21:24):
They are comparing the Coin Dense data with other data and saying that about 40% of women are now participating. But actually, if they compare it with Coin Dense today, it's 14%. So they are not even able to compare the correct data with themselves, and so basically, I stopped going on with the article.
Lina Seiche (21:52):
Honestly, any article that says Bitcoin has this and this much CO2 that blows into the air, how did you find out? Because you don’t. You just don't know there's no, well there is, what do they call themselves Task Force Council. There is a council now. But we're not at the point where they're like auditing anything. And even then they would just be reporting from a small number of miners, right? So where did she get that data? So I checked out the hyperlink, she linked to a Reuters article from May 13. That estimated that Bitcoin has 22 million metric tons of Carbon Dioxide a year, which was before the China ban. So not only is it a questionably vague estimate, it's also outdated.
Mir Liponi (22:48):
Yeah, it's outdated. And also, Bitcoin mining is great, because it's based on incentives. So miners have all the incentives to maximize what they are doing. If renewable types of energy are better for them, they're going to do that. And they are already doing that since the China ban, for example. So saying that older women are going to benefit for something that I don't know if it's so helpful, and we want them. I don't know, it's such a strong statement, and in the end it's not even updated yet. There are plenty of problems.
Lina Seiche (23:39):
Well, the key foundation that I want to lay here is that she didn't do a very thorough research here, in my opinion. Now, you know, where the women come in, I can say a little less about that. So here's what she brings in the women. So Bitcoin, let's, let's say it's true, 22 million megatons of CO2 a year. And as she writes, it's no secret that climate change impacts women more. It's no secret that climate change impacts women more than men, which is quite a statement.
Molly Spiers (24:16):
Well, here's the thing if it's no secret, like, I didn't know that, so it was a secret to me.
Lina Seiche (24:25):
Yeah I looked it up.
Mir Liponi (24:26):
Yeah. Yeah. Still a secret to me.
Lina Seiche (24:29):
I looked it up because I didn't want to say something stupid that can get me cancelled. And I ound out there's actually a lot of research into the topic. Wow. It has its own Wikipedia article, climate change and gender or gender and climate change. So apparently, in certain areas of the world, women are sort of the caretaker of the house and the family so they stay at home and they're in charge of going out to look for food and you know, making sure there's fire in the house. While the men go to the cities and do the work and bring home the money now, where climate change comes in is it destroys the environment in which these women live. And the women then have to move somewhere else if I understood that correctly, which means they get displaced. And during this process of getting displaced and having to find a new place to live, they are more vulnerable to first of all, that sucks. And then also, they're more vulnerable to any dangers or risks involved with that process, which is terrible. And I don't know enough about it to, you know, say anything about that. It sounds really bad. So there's that. The question now, is it a bit far fetched to connect Bitcoin mining to that? It’s a question.
Mir Liponi (26:02):
Molly Spiers (26:03):
My personal opinion is it's just another thing that Bitcoin can be blamed for. I don't know why this whole thing is like, I appreciate how it talks about impacting women more than men, but I really don't think this article needs to, the headline for this does not need to be around women. Like the focus does not need to be on women. Yes, the mining side of Bitcoin needs to sort of look at more renewable energy resources. But I feel like what you're saying, this feels like clutching at straws, is my impression.
Lina Seiche (26:45):
Well, if you don't even have data to back up the CO2 emissions, right, and all you have is vague estimates. And even with those estimates, it is still far less concerning to the world's environment than let's say, the banking system, or gold mining or, you know, other sources of CO2 emissions. Why would you not take those?
Molly Spiers (27:09):
No, here’s the thing. A couple of guys who I work with actually looked into the carbon dioxide, carbon emissions of Bitcoin and compared it to other things. I'm like, you know, we're saying it's all estimates, but Bitcoin has this bad reputation, I think, for destroying the Earth and all these carbon emissions that it gives off. They compared it to things like, I can't remember, I'm paraphrasing, I can't remember the exact numbers, but it was things like drinking a glass of orange juice, and how many carbon emissions that produces. And simple things like sending an email, and, you know, don't quote me on this, but I think sending an email was comparable to sending like to making 4000 or 400,000 Bitcoin lightning transactions, like in terms of output? I will find the article to link to after this.
Lina Seiche (28:13)
Will insert it here.
Molly Spiers (28:15)
Yeah, right there. Yeah but it's just frustrating.
Mir Liponi (28:20):
I just like them, they have a lot of assumptions. And they are putting the assumption all together to claim the title. But if we go into the reasoning and go over every single step, it doesn't make a lot of sense. So it's only for people who are just reading the title and seeing that the journalist makes up some data and then they end up thinking about that. But if you go from sentence to sentence there are plenty of things there that don't make sense by themselves. I mean, also about the impact of Bitcoin mining, and also the idea of climate change. And I don't want to go full depth because I guess before I was probably. But the problem is just the structure of these articles is just always or almost always like that. And it takes a lot of time to debunk those and more time than actually writing an article just like that. And they know.
Lina Seiche (29:33):
Yeah, it's going very far out there to draw a connection. And you can see it in other parts of the article too. Like she says, as more women enter the crypto space the need for, I’m sorry, that was wrong. She's saying, “It just so happens that some of the region's hit hardest by natural disasters, drought and displacement are experiencing significant growth in women working in crypto.” So again, I tried to understand that claim and I looked at her reasoning, or her examples. So what she then used is an anecdote of a woman in Iran who encourages more women to dive into cryptocurrency. Then she says in Lebanon there are people increasingly turning to crypto as a means of gaining financial freedom through crypto remittances, probably all Bitcoin, but you know whatever. Which is where I wonder, okay, so there's one anecdotal woman that she talks about, then she talks about people in Lebanon, is that women? Or is that again 98% men? Like, which of it, Is it like, she makes some kind of weird claims here. Then she mentions Europe, where she says 1/5 of crypto holders are women where, you know, okay, so in Europe, I don't think women are disproportionately affected by climate change as much as in some other parts of the world.
Mir Liponi (31:05):
Also, where do you get the data from exchanges? I mean, how do you know those are holders, if they are old LLC, you are not supposed to know they are orders unless they pass through an exchange, and then they stopped moving their Bitcoins and you get to the gender from the exchange? So I mean, those are orders, but I mean, it's more complicated than that, because those are not KYC free Bitcoins or not the same thing. And also, it's not, I mean, it has been years since I heard so many ideas from the crypto space and on how to use cryptocurrencies, businesses to save the world, but actually, it's not that complicated. In the end, they seem just like another story or something that is actually quite easy. Just use Bitcoin, because Bitcoin is great in that, and it can give you as a woman too one of the best figures of art, which is independence, financial independence, so you will only have to, I mean, learn about the technology and to buy Bitcoin in the right way. And you are already set up and free. So it's not that complicated, actually.
Lina Seiche 32:33
Yeah. Well, you know, honestly I feel like the article has good intentions. And she's saying, “If you're an investor looking at ways to support clean energy and women consider funding clean energy Bitcoin mining.”, so you know, I'm all for supporting environmentally friendly Bitcoin mining, whatever that means to you, right? If you want to plug your miner into a hydro power plant, good for you. So the article, I think, has good intentions, but unfortunately, it's just drowned out by this virtue signaling that women suffer because men mine dirty Bitcoin. It's really sad.
Molly Spiers (33:23):
Yeah, I agree. I think there's too much going on in this article to make sense. Is the problem with women? Or is the problem with Bitcoin mining? And like what you're saying about mining? I mean, I'm not sure if there's any way to actually and that I could be wrong if there's any way to actually prove that you mined Bitcoins using renewable energy at the moment, unless you, you know, put the message in the transaction in the block? Like, how can you prove that?
Lina Seiche (33:57):
You would have to physically go to the company and audit them and check. Are they connected to a hydro power plant? Or do they have a coal power plant in their basement? There is no way. So people both No Coiners and Bitcoiners like to take numbers from reports and surveys and use them as the only source of truth and I do not think that's correct. I think we have to be very careful with throwing around these numbers, be it number of Bitcoin users, demographics, Bitcoin mining emissions, or whatnot, but the thing is, that stuff takes a lot of research. And you have to look into things and most people don't have the time nor the motivation to do that. So it's very easy to look at a number instead.
Mir Liponi (34:48):
I was expecting an article about more male Bitcoiners emitting more CO2 than women or something like that. Wouldn't it make more sense?
Lina Seiche (35:03):
Mir Liponi (35:04):
I don't know, I'm thinking of something I cannot say. But actually, if you can give perspective, it could be. Yeah, it is an argument like the one inside the article, I'm not as gracious as you Lina because probably it's too much time I am wasting reading articles. But right now I am at this point. And yeah, my argument is seriously better than the one in the article. Well, I completely agree and also, if you take a minority, and then decide that that this minority is, I mean, you can come out with anything if you want to, because, of course, if you take a minority majority one is going to be disadvantaged in comparison to the other it just like our life's work, we have to take it in serious consideration when there is something more consistent and more important that I don't think that's the case. But if this is the case, I'm totally open to reconsider it in the future. But at this point, it's, it's not
Molly Spiers (36:15):
Cool. Well, I think that's all we've got in that article. Is there anything else to add?
Lina Seiche (36:23):
Molly Spiers (36:24):
Lina Seiche (36:25):
Molly Spiers (36:26):
Lina Seiche (36:27):
No more comments.
Molly Spiers (36:29):
Right. That's good. Shall we wrap it up there then?
Mir Liponi (36:32):
Lina Seiche (36:35):
Sure. We never talked about how we wrap stuff up?
Molly Spiers (36:39):
No, that's true, isn't it? I think we, what do you call it?
Lina Seiche (36:43):
Molly Spiers (36:44):
Bye everyone. I said no, actually, we did. Did we on the last one?
Lina Seiche (36:50):
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Molly Spiers (36:56):
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Molly Spiers (37:15):
I can see the concentration in your face. That's all right. It’s for the editor to do, isn't it?
Lina Seiche (37:23):
Oh, yeah. The editor has a lot of work.
Mir Liponi (37:25):
I can tell him in Italian with some gestures. <Italian> So you have to subscribe right now.
Molly Spiers (37:36):
I love that. You do it in German.
Mir Liponi (37:43):
Oh my God, I'm convinced. I’m convinced.
Molly Spiers (37:48):
Oh my God, that’s brilliant. I'll just do it in the very, what do you call it, the very modest British, being like, please like and subscribe. Oh, we're not angry.
Lina Seiche (37:58):
We should have all our bases covered. Any type of audience that could have possibly followed us. Follow us now.
Molly Spiers (38:07):
That's good. So that's it. We're done.
Lina Seiche (38:11):
That was great.
Molly Spiers (38:12):
Yeah, we enjoyed it.
Lina Seiche (38:13):
Talk to you soon.
Molly Spiers (38:16):
Lina Seiche (38:16):